What should happen to Jane? Should she get 15 spanks… 20 spanks… 20 spanks with some of them discounted? Something else? Any sort of recommendation on an implement?

 

 

 

 

To start with… If you haven’t had a chance to read the original Roundtable post this week, the Wrap-up wont make any sense. You can click HERE to catch up.

Now, we can tell the rest of you that “Jane” is not Suzy. The only fish we have are in the freezer… Lady Jane is our good friend Munchkin. For the record too, that second snail… it now ’sleeps with the fishes’ too. So, if snails have blood… it’s on the hands of those that voted for leniency.

Of course, this is all in good fun. Again, we’re not talking real discipline spanks here or anything like that… just some playfully hard spanks. Munchkin does try too. It’s just been… a challenge. So, a little extra motivation couldn’t hurt (that much).

Let’s take a look at the Quick Response Poll to see what our friendly readers thinks should happen to “Jane.”

What should happen to Jane?
Less than 15 spanks (she has improved!). ~ 4%
15 spanks and that’s it. ~ 25%
20 spanks, but 5 of them ‘discounted.’ ~ 7%
20 spanks, and she earned each one. ~ 29%
More than 20 spanks! ~ 36%

Did we say friendly? lol… we have a lot of spanking judges in these parts! Kind of threw “more than 20 spanks” in there as an add on. It won! Nearly 3 in 4 voted for 20 or more spanks. So, the poll suggests that snails are fishes too.

To see exactly what folks are thinking, we move to this week’s comments. A fun read for sure. Hope you enjoy!

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Dr. Kathryn Überbratious said: Ah, based on my scientific research, Ms Jane should not receive any spanks for the unfortunate death of the snail. See, snails are members of the molluscan class Gastropoda. The agreement referred to the death of fish, which are any aquatic vertebrate animal that is typically ectothermic (or cold-blooded), covered with scales, and equipped with two sets of paired fins and several unpaired fins.

Though it is true that some snails are considered aquatic animals, snails do not have a vertebrate, scales, or fins. Based on this scientific information, Ms Jane should be cleared of all snail wrong doing.

If you have any questions, feel free to refer to my book: The Rise and Fall of Aquarium Snails.

~And what exactly is your PHD in, Dr. Brat? Pretty Harsh Discipline…? The snail was in “the FISH tank” not the “fish and snail tank” or the “snail tank.” When the poor thing died, Jane “fished” it out… she didn’t “snail” it out. And what did she use? Not a snail net, can tell you that! If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck… Jane must be spanked.~

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Carye said:  I’m for the less than 15 spanks. 4 fish (ok, 3 fish and a snail) in 6 weeks is not that unusual especially if they were new to the tank. We’ve had many snails and due to the pH and the “trauma” of transplantation, or the stupidity of the snail getting in front of the power jet and getting slammed against the tank wall, some of them have died. We also find that if we buy 10 fish usually due to the net trauma and the transfers and pH differential between store and home, we lose 1 or sometimes a couple. I think she’s doing well. 15 at most! Though I would definitely add snails and any other critters (frogs, loaches, etc) to the list for the next 6 week period!

~Well… the 6 week time period isn’t yet up, and there have since been more deaths. Plus… what about the dead fish before the deal was made? Very lax in your courtroom… ~

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iggy said: Well I just think Jane should be spanked and spanked often. She totally needs it. Personally, I think snails aren’t fish, but since it’s Jane she should get spanked anyhow.

~You’re totally right, Iggy. The logically argument you have made is both insightful and powerful. Jane needs the extra spanks. The more, the better!~

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Keagen said: I’m gonna hafta go with the 20 spanks, but 5 of them discounted. While 4 “creatures of the water” did die, the spanker specified FISH, not MOLLUSK. However, I also don’t believe that Jane should be allowed to get off on her technicality, and I believe that the death of the snail deserves some justice, as well. It is the spanker’s prerogative to add/change rules. . . . . .

I don’t really know what she’s complaining about. It’s just 20.

~You had been doing so well in the courtroom (again, lol)… up until that, “just 20″ line. Guess you’ll gladly volunteer to take 20 then, right? It is “just” 20!~

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Charlie said: I feel that “this” time 15 spanks are due as the result of the original agreement [ 5 per 'fish' ]. If there is going to be a re-negotiation of the contract to include anything else in the tank (snails – mollusks, hermit crabs – crustaceans, water plants and algae), then that may occur later. The present agreement only specifies fish.
-Charlie [zoology major '65]

~You certainly make a straight forward point. But, what about the spirit of the deal? Sure, the word “fish” was used. But, so was “dead.” What if the fish were merely missing? Would that mean spanks had been earned? Crazy to even ask… well… Jane did attempt to claim that very thing! Spankees are a tricky bunch.~

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ginger said: The agreement was to “stop killing FISH”. If Mr. Spanker wanted the fish-killer to stop killing any defenseless creature, he should have clarified “no more killing”.

Then he could have spanked her for the plants she might kill too…and the ants she stepped on, and the spider she flushed….and….well, you get the picture.
g.

~Well… the deal was for each dead fish. How many fish died in the last 6 week… worldwide? Maybe spankers should start taking things by the literal letter too? Just sayin’… ~

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Cowgirl said: Based on the initial agreement, Jane should only receive 15 spanks. While Mr Spanker may have meant that “fish” was a generic term meaning “all life in the fish tank”, he did not state that initially. Snails are not fish, they’re mollusks. I agree with Charlie, that a re-negotiation could occur later to include “all life within the fish tank”.

However, if Jane=Suzy (as one of your “you be the judges” has actually been a scenario involving Suzy) then I think she should just get spanked long and hard and often… she needs it, lol.

You’re welcome, Suzy!!!

~Well, Jane is not Suzy. BUT, the actual Jane needs long and hard spanking at least as often as Suzy does!~

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Jane said: I agree with all above – the agreement was 5 spanks for dead fish only so 15 spanks it is (and I’m glad I’m not the Jane you are talking about LOL).

~lol… oh come, on. 15 or 20 spanks never hurt anyone.~

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Thomas_III said: You see, the problem with this scenario is that Mr. Spanker made a deal with Jane ahead of time. Once you make a deal, you’re pretty much bound to honor it by word, even if you meant something else in spirit. It’s still the spanker’s prerogative to change the rules at a moment’s notice, but you still can’t really punish for things that you weren’t specific enough about before.

This is why spankers should learn to be vague and generalize. If he had simply said “take better care of the fishtank or you’re gonna get it,” then he could not only choose which lifeforms deserved retribution, but could mediate the number and intensity of strokes based on exactly how negligent he felt that she was in the deaths of those lifeforms.

That being said, from the general standpoint of someone that’s had plenty of troubles with fish dying when I’ve tried to transplant them, three dying in six weeks wouldn’t even register on my spankometer, even if I was LOOKING for reasons. Even if you give them the BEST of care, you’re pretty much bound to lose at least that many. Basically, spanking for three dead fish could very well be spanking for Jane doing the very best that she could do.

Again, though, since the deal was made for play, and not for true discipline, I say give her all twenty and throw in a few more for good measure. Personally, I’d lose count somewhere around one, and go from there.

~Like we said to Ginger… The deal was a simple one, “5 spanks for each dead fish.” Nothing there about fish *in the tank*… right? That letter of the law thing could equal out to several million spanks!~

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Scunge said: I too voted for 15 only. What the heck do snails in a fish tank eat anyway!? Since the other snail is just fine I think the first snail was going to die anyway,probably had some ick or other disease when purchased!

~What do snails eat in a fish tank… that’s a good question. We’d ask Jane, but it’s seeming more and more likely that she doesn’t know what *fish* eat, nevermind snails… lol.~

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Pixie said: Poor fishies!! I think the 15 swats are definitely in order, but the 5 for the snail can’t count because of the technicality that snails aren’t fish. I mean, if you invited me over for a fish dinner and presented me with a plate of snails … urgh.

After the punishment for this time period is given, I’d then redo the agreement to include all aquatic animals in the tank. Or maybe you could get a zen water fountain that would offer soothing running water sounds and movement without the possibility of dying fish and painful consequences.

~Well, if we invited you to Red Lobster for dinner… we wouldn’t force to order Lobster either though. We’ve done the zed water fountain thing btw… and haven’t had good luck. Each one has leaked and/or broken. We’re thinking of just moving right next to an actual waterfall. THAT would be peaceful!~

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Cookie said: Well I would say since there was an agreement then the 15 should stick. I never heard of a fish committing suicide how do they do that anyway? I also believe that she should get the extra 5 just for trying to say the fish committed suicide. The five for the snail though, as for me if Thomas were to say what he said about 5 for each fish that dies. Then when the snail died I would have already known that he meant that as well. But I knew that just because I know him. LOL. But in all fairness he did say fish and snails aren’t fish. SO technically he cant get her for the snail. But in my own personal opinion if it was me and my spanker then I would be getting the 20 and then some probably anyway. LOL. I think if I were Jane I would go and buy some fake aquatic creatures for the tank. They do have them. You can still have the tank and all that but no risk of dying fish if they aren’t alive to begin with.

~Cookie brings up a good point… 5 spanks for trying to say the fish committed suicide!  Always love it when another spankee figures out a reason for even more spanks.~

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Rose said: I had to say 20…while it is true that a snail is indeed NOT a fish, it was a resident of the fish tank in question and Jane’s responsibility to take care of it. Therefore by extension, the snail should be included in the number of deceased aquatic creatures.

Sorry Jane.

~Excellent logic, Rose. That kind of thinking will get you far in this world!~

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Hermione said: Snails die no matter how well you care for them, so no spanks for the snails. Jane does need spanks for each of the fish, but I also think she needs to bone up on fish-keeping and find out what she’s been doing wrong and how she can prevent all this loss of life. She shouldn’t have pets if she can’t take care of them. (Suicide? Did she leave the cover open?)

Maybe the answer is an aquarium screen-saver; all the serenity, none of the hassle.
Hugs,
Hermione

~Think the suicide thing was a joke.  Like the screen-saver idea though.  That’s the only fish tank we have in our house, lol.~

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Suzy Says:  I say we take the age of the fish (# of days) times the amount of fish deceased and then multiply that by the times “Jane” has ever gotten any enjoyment and relaxation out of owning a nice fishtank  and that equals the amount of spankings she should get and no one even needs to worry about the snails at all! 

Actually 15 seems fine but next bet should surely be more precise to include all living beings in the tank…. even plantlife

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Todd Says: Had a little fun with the comments this week. In all fairness though… I did say “fish” and as such, I think 15 spanks is the fair amount. Spankers need to be clear when making such a deal. Obviously that’s far more the case when dealing with real issues involving more serious spankings. But even in a playful situation… a deal is a deal, and the letter of that deal should be followed. That goes for both spanker and spankee.

So, I should have said something like “5 spanks for each thing in the fish tank that dies.” That, or just been even more general about it.

Of course, this being a playful situation… there surely will be lots of other reasons to spank the lovely “Jane” next time I see her… including simply asking “would you like a spanking.” Chances are, she does.

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